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"text": "Nicht unbedingt von außen, aber dass man zumindest sagen kann, okay, ich habe jetzt vielleicht ein Monitoring oder sonst irgendwas, ich erkenne, wenn Einbrüche stattfinden und ich kann die dann zeitnah beheben oder dementsprechend reagieren.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Nicht", 490.24, 490.4, 1.0], ["unbedingt", 490.4, 490.8, 1.0], ["von", 490.8, 490.96, 1.0], ["außen,", 490.96, 491.2, 1.0], ["aber", 491.28, 491.44, 1.0], ["dass", 491.44, 491.52, 1.0], ["man", 491.52, 491.68, 1.0], ["zumindest", 491.68, 492.08, 1.0], ["sagen", 492.08, 492.32, 1.0], ["kann,", 492.32, 492.4, 1.0], ["okay,", 492.48, 492.64, 1.0], ["ich", 492.72, 492.8, 1.0], ["habe", 492.8, 492.88, 1.0], ["jetzt", 492.88, 493.04, 1.0], ["vielleicht", 493.04, 493.36, 1.0], ["ein", 493.36, 493.52, 1.0], ["Monitoring", 493.52, 494.0, 1.0], ["oder", 494.0, 494.16, 1.0], ["sonst", 494.16, 494.32, 1.0], ["irgendwas,", 494.48, 494.8, 1.0], ["ich", 494.88, 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das ist sehr deutsch, kann ich nur sagen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Genau,", 1971.47, 1971.55, 1.0], ["auf", 1971.63, 1971.71, 1.0], ["die", 1971.79, 1971.87, 1.0], ["Anmerkung,", 1971.87, 1972.19, 1.0], ["das", 1972.35, 1972.43, 1.0], ["ist", 1972.43, 1972.59, 1.0], ["sehr", 1972.59, 1972.75, 1.0], ["deutsch,", 1972.75, 1972.99, 1.0], ["kann", 1973.07, 1973.15, 1.0], ["ich", 1973.15, 1973.31, 1.0], ["nur", 1973.31, 1973.39, 1.0], ["sagen.", 1973.55, 1973.71, 1.0]]}, {"start": 1973.79, "end": 1992.51, "text": "Also wir haben regelmäßig Bachelor- und Masterarbeiten auch und früher auch Diplomarbeiten, bei denen Studenten von uns eine Implementation von Security für gerade so im KM-Firmen im KMU-Umfeld, kleinere Mittelunternehmen, auch im Stuttgarter Raum vornehmen und damit eigentlich ganz gute Erfahrungen haben.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 1973.79, 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2008.35, 2008.51, 1.0], ["wenn", 2008.59, 2008.75, 1.0], ["man", 2008.75, 2008.91, 1.0], ["die", 2008.91, 2009.07, 1.0], ["hat,", 2009.07, 2009.23, 1.0], ["genau.", 2009.63, 2009.71, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2009.87, "end": 2013.55, "text": "Was auch wieder im KMU-Umfeld typischerweise überhaupt nicht der Fall ist.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Was", 2009.87, 2009.95, 1.0], ["auch", 2010.35, 2010.43, 1.0], ["wieder", 2010.43, 2010.59, 1.0], ["im", 2010.59, 2010.75, 1.0], ["KMU-Umfeld", 2010.75, 2011.95, 1.0], ["typischerweise", 2011.95, 2012.59, 1.0], ["überhaupt", 2012.59, 2012.99, 1.0], ["nicht", 2012.99, 2013.15, 1.0], ["der", 2013.15, 2013.23, 1.0], ["Fall", 2013.23, 2013.47, 1.0], ["ist.", 2013.47, 2013.55, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2013.71, "end": 2014.35, "text": "Da ist niemand.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Da", 2013.71, 2013.87, 1.0], ["ist", 2013.87, 2014.03, 1.0], 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2478.17, "end": 2482.97, "text": "Das heißt, warum ist mein System so nicht schadensreduzierend?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Das", 2478.17, 2478.33, 1.0], ["heißt,", 2478.33, 2478.57, 1.0], ["warum", 2478.65, 2478.89, 1.0], ["ist", 2478.89, 2479.05, 1.0], ["mein", 2479.05, 2479.45, 1.0], ["System", 2479.45, 2480.09, 1.0], ["so", 2480.65, 2480.97, 1.0], ["nicht", 2481.53, 2481.77, 1.0], ["schadensreduzierend?", 2481.77, 2482.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2483.13, "end": 2491.69, "text": "An der Stelle bricht mir meine für Millionen aufgebaute Sicherheit wie ein Kartenhaus zusammen mit einem einzigen Access Point ist praktisch das Loch gebohrt.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["An", 2483.13, 2483.29, 1.0], ["der", 2483.29, 2483.45, 1.0], ["Stelle", 2483.45, 2483.77, 1.0], ["bricht", 2483.77, 2484.17, 1.0], ["mir", 2484.17, 2484.33, 1.0], ["meine", 2484.33, 2484.65, 1.0], 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["ja,", 2898.49, 2898.73, 1.0], ["genau.", 2898.97, 2899.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 2900.49, "end": 2912.65, "text": "Und die verdienen im Endeffekt dann ihr Geld damit, dass sie solche Zertifikate vergeben und dafür halt auch gegenprüfen, dass diejenigen, die dieses Zertifikat besitzen, diejenigen sind, diese vorgeben zu sein.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Und", 2900.49, 2900.81, 1.0], ["die", 2901.45, 2901.69, 1.0], ["verdienen", 2902.33, 2902.97, 1.0], ["im", 2902.97, 2903.13, 1.0], ["Endeffekt", 2903.13, 2903.45, 1.0], ["dann", 2903.45, 2903.61, 1.0], ["ihr", 2903.61, 2903.85, 1.0], ["Geld", 2903.85, 2904.09, 1.0], ["damit,", 2904.09, 2904.33, 1.0], ["dass", 2904.41, 2904.57, 1.0], ["sie", 2904.57, 2904.73, 1.0], ["solche", 2904.73, 2905.05, 1.0], ["Zertifikate", 2905.05, 2905.69, 1.0], ["vergeben", 2905.69, 2906.09, 1.0], ["und", 2906.09, 2906.25, 1.0], ["dafür", 2906.25, 2906.65, 1.0], ["halt", 2906.65, 2906.81, 1.0], ["auch", 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login.yahoo.com, login.skype.com und add-ons.mozilla.org Das sind alles so, ich würde es jetzt mal als High-Profile-Seiten bezeichnen, wo sensitive Benutzerdaten drüber fließen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Das", 2945.05, 2945.21, 1.0], ["war", 2945.21, 2945.37, 1.0], ["unter", 2945.37, 2945.53, 1.0], ["anderem", 2945.53, 2945.85, 1.0], ["Mail.google.com,", 2945.85, 2947.29, 1.0], ["login.live.com,", 2947.77, 2949.29, 1.0], ["google.com,", 2949.45, 2950.01, 1.0], ["login.yahoo.com,", 2950.17, 2951.53, 1.0], ["login.skype.com", 2951.61, 2952.97, 1.0], ["und", 2953.29, 2953.61, 1.0], ["add-ons.mozilla.org", 2953.61, 2955.77, 1.0], ["Das", 2956.09, 2956.33, 1.0], ["sind", 2956.33, 2956.49, 1.0], ["alles", 2956.49, 2956.73, 1.0], ["so,", 2956.73, 2956.89, 1.0], ["ich", 2957.05, 2957.21, 1.0], ["würde", 2957.21, 2957.37, 1.0], ["es", 2957.37, 2957.53, 1.0], ["jetzt", 2957.53, 2957.69, 1.0], ["mal", 2957.69, 2957.77, 1.0], ["als", 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"end": 3391.13, "text": "Also die Betreiber von dem Server hatten den irgendwie falsch konfiguriert und da fand im Endeffekt folgendes statt.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 3385.05, 3385.21, 1.0], ["die", 3385.69, 3385.93, 1.0], ["Betreiber", 3385.93, 3386.49, 1.0], ["von", 3386.49, 3386.57, 1.0], ["dem", 3386.57, 3386.73, 1.0], ["Server", 3386.73, 3387.05, 1.0], ["hatten", 3387.05, 3387.29, 1.0], ["den", 3387.29, 3387.45, 1.0], ["irgendwie", 3387.45, 3387.69, 1.0], ["falsch", 3387.69, 3387.93, 1.0], ["konfiguriert", 3387.93, 3388.49, 1.0], ["und", 3388.57, 3388.65, 1.0], ["da", 3388.65, 3388.89, 1.0], ["fand", 3388.89, 3389.29, 1.0], ["im", 3389.29, 3389.45, 1.0], ["Endeffekt", 3389.45, 3390.01, 1.0], ["folgendes", 3390.01, 3390.49, 1.0], ["statt.", 3390.73, 3391.13, 1.0]]}, {"start": 3391.61, "end": 3401.05, "text": "Die Verbindung von dem von dem Jabber-Client zu dem Server, die war zwar verschlüsselt, aber der hat 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"text": "Angreifer, Cracker vielleicht.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 2", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Angreifer,", 4445.17, 4445.73, 1.0], ["Cracker", 4446.21, 4446.61, 1.0], ["vielleicht.", 4446.77, 4447.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4447.25, "end": 4450.61, "text": "Also es gibt ganz viele verschiedene Arten wieder von Angreifer.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 4447.25, 4447.57, 1.0], ["es", 4447.57, 4447.73, 1.0], ["gibt", 4448.13, 4448.29, 1.0], ["ganz", 4448.29, 4448.53, 1.0], ["viele", 4448.53, 4448.85, 1.0], ["verschiedene", 4448.85, 4449.25, 1.0], ["Arten", 4449.25, 4449.57, 1.0], ["wieder", 4449.57, 4449.81, 1.0], ["von", 4449.81, 4450.05, 1.0], ["Angreifer.", 4450.05, 4450.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4451.33, "end": 4454.05, "text": "Es gibt so grundsätzlich drei Kategorien.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Es", 4451.33, 4451.49, 1.0], 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["dann", 4704.77, 4705.01, 1.0], ["darauf", 4705.25, 4706.13, 1.0], ["werden", 4706.13, 4706.45, 1.0], ["dann", 4706.45, 4706.69, 1.0], ["auch", 4706.69, 4707.01, 1.0], ["Risikopotenziale", 4707.25, 4708.45, 1.0], ["gemappt", 4708.45, 4709.09, 1.0], ["auf", 4709.09, 4709.33, 1.0], ["diese", 4709.33, 4709.57, 1.0], ["verschiedenen", 4709.57, 4709.97, 1.0], ["Gruppen.", 4709.97, 4710.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4710.45, "end": 4714.85, "text": "Und wie wahrscheinlich ist es denn, dass diese Gruppe, dass ich zu Ziel von so einer Gruppe werde?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 4710.45, 4710.61, 1.0], ["wie", 4710.61, 4710.85, 1.0], ["wahrscheinlich", 4710.85, 4711.25, 1.0], ["ist", 4711.25, 4711.33, 1.0], ["es", 4711.33, 4711.49, 1.0], ["denn,", 4711.49, 4711.65, 1.0], ["dass", 4711.73, 4711.89, 1.0], ["diese", 4712.05, 4712.21, 1.0], ["Gruppe,", 4712.21, 4712.53, 1.0], ["dass", 4712.61, 4712.77, 1.0], ["ich", 4712.77, 4712.93, 1.0], ["zu", 4712.93, 4713.09, 1.0], ["Ziel", 4713.09, 4713.41, 1.0], ["von", 4713.41, 4713.57, 1.0], ["so", 4713.57, 4713.73, 1.0], ["einer", 4713.73, 4713.89, 1.0], ["Gruppe", 4713.89, 4714.29, 1.0], ["werde?", 4714.29, 4714.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4718.53, "end": 4721.01, "text": "Dann, wie greife ich jetzt das Thema an?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Dann,", 4718.53, 4718.93, 1.0], ["wie", 4719.17, 4719.41, 1.0], ["greife", 4719.41, 4719.73, 1.0], ["ich", 4719.81, 4719.97, 1.0], ["jetzt", 4719.97, 4720.13, 1.0], ["das", 4720.13, 4720.29, 1.0], ["Thema", 4720.29, 4720.69, 1.0], ["an?", 4720.69, 4721.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4721.89, "end": 4722.21, "text": "So.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["So.", 4721.89, 4722.21, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4723.73, "end": 4725.17, "text": "Nachdem wir geklärt haben, wer das.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Nachdem", 4723.73, 4724.21, 1.0], ["wir", 4724.21, 4724.37, 1.0], ["geklärt", 4724.37, 4724.69, 1.0], ["haben,", 4724.69, 4724.77, 1.0], ["wer", 4724.85, 4725.09, 1.0], ["das.", 4725.09, 4725.17, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4727.09, "end": 4728.13, "text": "Warum macht, warum macht.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Warum", 4727.09, 4727.41, 1.0], ["macht,", 4727.41, 4727.65, 1.0], ["warum", 4727.73, 4727.89, 1.0], ["macht.", 4727.97, 4728.13, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4728.45, "end": 4732.37, "text": "Vielleicht noch einen ganzen kurzen Kommentar zu diesen Dreiteilungen und sowas.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Vielleicht", 4728.45, 4728.69, 1.0], ["noch", 4728.69, 4728.85, 1.0], ["einen", 4728.85, 4729.01, 1.0], ["ganzen", 4729.01, 4729.25, 1.0], ["kurzen", 4729.25, 4729.57, 1.0], ["Kommentar", 4729.73, 4730.29, 1.0], ["zu", 4730.29, 4730.45, 1.0], ["diesen", 4730.45, 4730.77, 1.0], ["Dreiteilungen", 4730.77, 4731.65, 1.0], ["und", 4731.65, 4731.81, 1.0], ["sowas.", 4731.81, 4732.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4732.85, "end": 4741.65, "text": "Mir ist da manchmal nicht so ganz behaglich bei solchen Dingen, sage ich ganz ehrlich, weil der Hut, den die jeweiligen Personen aufhaben, der kann so schnell wechseln.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Mir", 4732.85, 4733.09, 1.0], ["ist", 4733.09, 4733.25, 1.0], ["da", 4733.25, 4733.41, 1.0], ["manchmal", 4733.41, 4733.73, 1.0], ["nicht", 4733.73, 4733.89, 1.0], ["so", 4733.89, 4733.97, 1.0], ["ganz", 4733.97, 4734.13, 1.0], ["behaglich", 4734.13, 4734.77, 1.0], ["bei", 4734.77, 4734.93, 1.0], ["solchen", 4734.93, 4735.25, 1.0], ["Dingen,", 4735.25, 4735.57, 1.0], ["sage", 4735.73, 4735.97, 1.0], ["ich", 4735.97, 4736.05, 1.0], ["ganz", 4736.05, 4736.29, 1.0], ["ehrlich,", 4736.29, 4736.77, 1.0], ["weil", 4737.01, 4737.33, 1.0], ["der", 4737.81, 4738.05, 1.0], ["Hut,", 4738.05, 4738.45, 1.0], ["den", 4738.53, 4738.77, 1.0], ["die", 4738.77, 4738.93, 1.0], ["jeweiligen", 4738.93, 4739.49, 1.0], ["Personen", 4739.49, 4739.81, 1.0], ["aufhaben,", 4739.81, 4740.29, 1.0], ["der", 4740.37, 4740.53, 1.0], ["kann", 4740.53, 4740.77, 1.0], ["so", 4740.77, 4740.93, 1.0], ["schnell", 4740.93, 4741.25, 1.0], ["wechseln.", 4741.25, 4741.65, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4741.81, "end": 4742.53, "text": "Ja, das ist so.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 4741.81, 4741.89, 1.0], ["das", 4741.97, 4742.05, 1.0], ["ist", 4742.05, 4742.13, 1.0], ["so.", 4742.45, 4742.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4742.77, "end": 4751.81, "text": "Und wenn so eine Dreiteilung irgendwie mein Security-Konzept eingeflossen ist und ich praktisch so, wie soll ich sagen, das kann sich dann so schnell ändern.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 4742.77, 4743.01, 1.0], ["wenn", 4743.01, 4743.25, 1.0], ["so", 4743.49, 4743.73, 1.0], ["eine", 4743.73, 4744.05, 1.0], ["Dreiteilung", 4744.05, 4744.77, 1.0], ["irgendwie", 4744.77, 4745.09, 1.0], ["mein", 4745.09, 4745.33, 1.0], ["Security-Konzept", 4745.33, 4746.29, 1.0], ["eingeflossen", 4746.29, 4746.93, 1.0], ["ist", 4746.93, 4747.01, 1.0], ["und", 4747.09, 4747.25, 1.0], ["ich", 4747.25, 4747.41, 1.0], ["praktisch", 4747.41, 4747.73, 1.0], ["so,", 4747.73, 4748.05, 1.0], ["wie", 4748.61, 4748.85, 1.0], ["soll", 4748.85, 4749.09, 1.0], ["ich", 4749.09, 4749.17, 1.0], ["sagen,", 4749.25, 4749.41, 1.0], ["das", 4750.21, 4750.37, 1.0], ["kann", 4750.37, 4750.61, 1.0], ["sich", 4750.61, 4750.77, 1.0], ["dann", 4750.77, 4750.93, 1.0], ["so", 4750.93, 4751.09, 1.0], ["schnell", 4751.09, 4751.41, 1.0], ["ändern.", 4751.41, 4751.81, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4751.97, "end": 4755.73, "text": "Ich habe praktisch auf ein paar falsche Annahmen gesetzt an der Stelle schon.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ich", 4751.97, 4752.13, 1.0], ["habe", 4752.13, 4752.29, 1.0], ["praktisch", 4752.29, 4753.01, 1.0], ["auf", 4753.01, 4753.33, 1.0], ["ein", 4753.33, 4753.57, 1.0], ["paar", 4753.57, 4753.73, 1.0], ["falsche", 4753.73, 4754.13, 1.0], ["Annahmen", 4754.13, 4754.61, 1.0], ["gesetzt", 4754.61, 4755.01, 1.0], ["an", 4755.01, 4755.17, 1.0], ["der", 4755.17, 4755.33, 1.0], ["Stelle", 4755.33, 4755.49, 1.0], ["schon.", 4755.57, 4755.73, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4756.45, "end": 4758.05, "text": "Darum bin ich dann nicht mehr so ganz ganz gut.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Darum", 4756.45, 4756.69, 1.0], ["bin", 4756.77, 4756.93, 1.0], ["ich", 4756.93, 4757.01, 1.0], ["dann", 4757.01, 4757.17, 1.0], ["nicht", 4757.17, 4757.25, 1.0], ["mehr", 4757.25, 4757.41, 1.0], ["so", 4757.41, 4757.49, 1.0], ["ganz", 4757.49, 4757.65, 1.0], ["ganz", 4757.81, 4757.89, 1.0], ["gut.", 4757.97, 4758.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4758.29, "end": 4761.09, "text": "Das geht aber auch ganz klar wieder in Vertrauen hinein.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Das", 4758.29, 4758.37, 1.0], ["geht", 4758.37, 4758.61, 1.0], ["aber", 4758.61, 4758.77, 1.0], ["auch", 4758.77, 4758.93, 1.0], ["ganz", 4759.17, 4759.33, 1.0], ["klar", 4759.33, 4759.65, 1.0], ["wieder", 4759.65, 4759.97, 1.0], ["in", 4759.97, 4760.13, 1.0], ["Vertrauen", 4760.13, 4760.77, 1.0], ["hinein.", 4760.77, 4761.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4761.25, "end": 4775.33, "text": "Also wenn man ein Security Audit durchführen lässt, dann vertraut man denjenigen, dass man, dass wenn das halt durchgeführt wird, dann ist es halt wirklich nur ein Test und nicht, dass das dann von einer Firma, dass die diese Information weiterverkaufen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 4761.25, 4761.49, 1.0], ["wenn", 4761.73, 4761.81, 1.0], ["man", 4761.81, 4762.05, 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["dann", 4771.81, 4772.05, 1.0], ["von", 4772.05, 4772.29, 1.0], ["einer", 4772.29, 4772.61, 1.0], ["Firma,", 4772.61, 4773.09, 1.0], ["dass", 4773.25, 4773.49, 1.0], ["die", 4773.49, 4773.81, 1.0], ["diese", 4773.81, 4774.05, 1.0], ["Information", 4774.05, 4774.45, 1.0], ["weiterverkaufen.", 4774.45, 4775.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4775.41, "end": 4778.69, "text": "Und das ist sehr viel Vertrauen, was da verkauft wird.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 4775.41, 4775.57, 1.0], ["das", 4775.89, 4776.05, 1.0], ["ist", 4776.05, 4776.21, 1.0], ["sehr", 4776.21, 4776.45, 1.0], ["viel", 4776.45, 4776.61, 1.0], ["Vertrauen,", 4776.61, 4777.09, 1.0], ["was", 4777.17, 4777.49, 1.0], ["da", 4777.49, 4777.81, 1.0], ["verkauft", 4778.13, 4778.61, 1.0], ["wird.", 4778.61, 4778.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4778.93, "end": 4779.33, "text": "Wird genau.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Wird", 4778.93, 4779.17, 1.0], ["genau.", 4779.17, 4779.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4779.49, "end": 4784.05, "text": "Aber ich sage nur HB Gary, Federal versus Anonymous.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Aber", 4779.49, 4779.57, 1.0], ["ich", 4779.65, 4779.73, 1.0], ["sage", 4779.73, 4779.81, 1.0], ["nur", 4779.89, 4779.97, 1.0], ["HB", 4780.05, 4780.37, 1.0], ["Gary,", 4780.37, 4780.61, 1.0], ["Federal", 4781.41, 4781.89, 1.0], ["versus", 4781.89, 4782.45, 1.0], ["Anonymous.", 4783.33, 4784.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4784.21, "end": 4788.53, "text": "Was da rausgekommen ist, hat da, würde ich sagen, die Security-Welt doch ganz schön erschüttert.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Was", 4784.21, 4784.45, 1.0], ["da", 4784.45, 4784.61, 1.0], ["rausgekommen", 4784.61, 4785.25, 1.0], ["ist,", 4785.25, 4785.41, 1.0], ["hat", 4785.57, 4785.73, 1.0], ["da,", 4785.73, 4785.89, 1.0], ["würde", 4785.97, 4786.21, 1.0], ["ich", 4786.21, 4786.29, 1.0], ["sagen,", 4786.29, 4786.45, 1.0], ["die", 4786.61, 4786.69, 1.0], ["Security-Welt", 4786.69, 4787.49, 1.0], ["doch", 4787.49, 4787.65, 1.0], ["ganz", 4787.65, 4787.81, 1.0], ["schön", 4787.81, 4788.05, 1.0], ["erschüttert.", 4788.05, 4788.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4788.61, "end": 4791.65, "text": "Ja, und die werden auch nie wieder irgendwie mit dem Namen mehr Geld.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 4788.61, 4788.69, 1.0], ["und", 4788.77, 4788.85, 1.0], ["die", 4788.85, 4788.93, 1.0], ["werden", 4788.93, 4789.17, 1.0], ["auch", 4789.17, 4789.33, 1.0], ["nie", 4789.33, 4789.49, 1.0], ["wieder", 4789.49, 4789.73, 1.0], ["irgendwie", 4789.73, 4790.29, 1.0], ["mit", 4790.29, 4790.61, 1.0], ["dem", 4790.61, 4790.85, 1.0], ["Namen", 4790.85, 4791.25, 1.0], ["mehr", 4791.25, 4791.41, 1.0], ["Geld.", 4791.41, 4791.65, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4793.01, "end": 4793.97, "text": "Machen können.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Machen", 4793.01, 4793.65, 1.0], ["können.", 4793.65, 4793.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4794.53, "end": 4795.09, "text": "Weiß nicht.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Weiß", 4794.53, 4794.85, 1.0], ["nicht.", 4794.93, 4795.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4795.33, "end": 4802.61, "text": "Also das ist auch wieder wie bei den Autoritäten, man verkauft Vertrauen, ganz klar.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 4795.33, 4795.57, 1.0], ["das", 4796.05, 4796.29, 1.0], ["ist", 4796.29, 4796.45, 1.0], ["auch", 4796.45, 4796.61, 1.0], ["wieder", 4796.61, 4796.93, 1.0], ["wie", 4797.25, 4797.57, 1.0], ["bei", 4797.97, 4798.29, 1.0], ["den", 4798.29, 4798.61, 1.0], ["Autoritäten,", 4799.41, 4800.21, 1.0], ["man", 4800.37, 4800.53, 1.0], ["verkauft", 4800.53, 4801.01, 1.0], ["Vertrauen,", 4801.01, 4801.65, 1.0], ["ganz", 4801.97, 4802.37, 1.0], ["klar.", 4802.37, 4802.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4802.85, "end": 4806.53, "text": "Also der Firmenname ist definitiv jetzt nach der Aktion verbrannt.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 4802.85, 4802.93, 1.0], ["der", 4803.01, 4803.17, 1.0], ["Firmenname", 4803.17, 4803.81, 1.0], ["ist", 4803.81, 4803.97, 1.0], ["definitiv", 4803.97, 4804.53, 1.0], ["jetzt", 4804.53, 4804.85, 1.0], ["nach", 4805.25, 4805.57, 1.0], ["der", 4805.57, 4805.73, 1.0], ["Aktion", 4805.73, 4806.05, 1.0], ["verbrannt.", 4806.05, 4806.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4806.85, "end": 4810.61, "text": "Ja, der Firmenname schon, aber trotzdem geht es im gleichen Stil natürlich mit dem neuen Namen weiter.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 4806.85, 4806.93, 1.0], ["der", 4807.01, 4807.17, 1.0], ["Firmenname", 4807.17, 4807.65, 1.0], ["schon,", 4807.73, 4807.89, 1.0], ["aber", 4807.97, 4808.21, 1.0], ["trotzdem", 4808.21, 4808.45, 1.0], ["geht", 4808.45, 4808.61, 1.0], ["es", 4808.61, 4808.69, 1.0], ["im", 4808.69, 4808.85, 1.0], ["gleichen", 4808.85, 4809.09, 1.0], ["Stil", 4809.17, 4809.41, 1.0], ["natürlich", 4809.41, 4809.65, 1.0], ["mit", 4809.65, 4809.73, 1.0], ["dem", 4809.73, 4809.89, 1.0], ["neuen", 4809.89, 4810.13, 1.0], ["Namen", 4810.13, 4810.45, 1.0], ["weiter.", 4810.45, 4810.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4810.77, "end": 4811.73, "text": "Ja, also unter dem Namen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 4810.77, 4810.85, 1.0], ["also", 4811.01, 4811.17, 1.0], ["unter", 4811.17, 4811.33, 1.0], ["dem", 4811.33, 4811.49, 1.0], ["Namen.", 4811.49, 4811.73, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4812.05, "end": 4844.85, "text": "Und diese Erkenntnis, dass hier eine Security-Firma mühelos quasi den Whitehead und den Blackhead wechselt und praktisch sich sogar dazu hinreißen lässt, Angriffscode zu entwickeln, um ihn dann zu verschachern für Angriffsideen von anderen kommerziellen Unternehmen oder um zum Beispiel Gewerkschaften anzugreifen im Auftrag von der Handelskammer und soll ja sagen, das sind eigentlich dann schon tief kriminelle, also kann man es einfach gar nicht anders sagen, es sind kriminelle Machenschaften, die diese Sicherheitsfirma hier getan hat.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Und", 4812.05, 4812.37, 1.0], ["diese", 4812.85, 4813.17, 1.0], ["Erkenntnis,", 4813.25, 4813.89, 1.0], ["dass", 4814.05, 4814.21, 1.0], ["hier", 4814.21, 4814.45, 1.0], ["eine", 4814.45, 4814.69, 1.0], ["Security-Firma", 4814.69, 4815.73, 1.0], ["mühelos", 4815.73, 4816.53, 1.0], ["quasi", 4816.53, 4816.85, 1.0], ["den", 4816.85, 4817.01, 1.0], ["Whitehead", 4817.01, 4817.57, 1.0], ["und", 4817.57, 4817.73, 1.0], ["den", 4817.73, 4817.89, 1.0], ["Blackhead", 4817.89, 4818.69, 1.0], ["wechselt", 4819.17, 4819.97, 1.0], ["und", 4819.97, 4820.29, 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["Sicherheitsfirma", 4841.57, 4842.77, 1.0], ["hier", 4842.77, 4843.09, 1.0], ["getan", 4844.05, 4844.61, 1.0], ["hat.", 4844.61, 4844.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4844.93, "end": 4848.45, "text": "Und ich denke, der Druck wird da in Zukunft noch größer auf die Sicherheitsfirmen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 4844.93, 4845.09, 1.0], ["ich", 4845.09, 4845.17, 1.0], ["denke,", 4845.17, 4845.33, 1.0], ["der", 4845.41, 4845.57, 1.0], ["Druck", 4845.57, 4845.89, 1.0], ["wird", 4845.89, 4846.05, 1.0], ["da", 4846.05, 4846.29, 1.0], ["in", 4846.29, 4846.45, 1.0], ["Zukunft", 4846.45, 4846.85, 1.0], ["noch", 4846.85, 4847.01, 1.0], ["größer", 4847.01, 4847.41, 1.0], ["auf", 4847.41, 4847.49, 1.0], ["die", 4847.49, 4847.65, 1.0], ["Sicherheitsfirmen.", 4847.65, 4848.45, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4848.61, "end": 4850.61, "text": "Also da werden wir mehr solche Fälle haben.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 4848.61, 4849.09, 1.0], ["da", 4849.09, 4849.33, 1.0], ["werden", 4849.33, 4849.49, 1.0], ["wir", 4849.49, 4849.65, 1.0], ["mehr", 4849.65, 4849.89, 1.0], ["solche", 4849.89, 4850.13, 1.0], ["Fälle", 4850.13, 4850.45, 1.0], ["haben.", 4850.45, 4850.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4850.77, "end": 4853.57, "text": "Jetzt hat es geahnt immer, aber jetzt wissen wir es auch schwarz auf weiß.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Jetzt", 4850.77, 4851.17, 1.0], ["hat", 4851.17, 4851.33, 1.0], ["es", 4851.33, 4851.49, 1.0], ["geahnt", 4851.49, 4851.89, 1.0], ["immer,", 4851.97, 4852.13, 1.0], ["aber", 4852.21, 4852.37, 1.0], ["jetzt", 4852.37, 4852.53, 1.0], ["wissen", 4852.53, 4852.69, 1.0], ["wir", 4852.69, 4852.85, 1.0], ["es", 4852.85, 4852.93, 1.0], ["auch", 4852.93, 4853.09, 1.0], ["schwarz", 4853.09, 4853.33, 1.0], ["auf", 4853.33, 4853.49, 1.0], ["weiß.", 4853.49, 4853.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4853.89, "end": 4859.65, "text": "Also ich finde, dieser Hut, den man sich aufsetzt, passt sehr gut, weil eine Hüte kann man schnell wegsehen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 4853.89, 4854.05, 1.0], ["ich", 4854.05, 4854.21, 1.0], ["finde,", 4854.21, 4854.53, 1.0], ["dieser", 4855.25, 4855.57, 1.0], ["Hut,", 4855.65, 4856.05, 1.0], ["den", 4856.21, 4856.37, 1.0], ["man", 4856.37, 4856.53, 1.0], ["sich", 4856.53, 4856.69, 1.0], ["aufsetzt,", 4856.69, 4857.17, 1.0], ["passt", 4857.25, 4857.49, 1.0], ["sehr", 4857.49, 4857.57, 1.0], ["gut,", 4857.57, 4857.73, 1.0], ["weil", 4857.81, 4857.97, 1.0], ["eine", 4858.13, 4858.45, 1.0], ["Hüte", 4858.45, 4858.69, 1.0], ["kann", 4858.77, 4858.85, 1.0], ["man", 4858.85, 4859.01, 1.0], ["schnell", 4859.01, 4859.25, 1.0], ["wegsehen.", 4859.25, 4859.65, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4860.37, "end": 4861.89, "text": "Das ist immer wichtig zu sehen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Das", 4860.37, 4860.61, 1.0], ["ist", 4860.61, 4860.93, 1.0], ["immer", 4860.93, 4861.17, 1.0], ["wichtig", 4861.17, 4861.49, 1.0], ["zu", 4861.49, 4861.65, 1.0], ["sehen.", 4861.65, 4861.89, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4861.97, "end": 4865.73, "text": "Und deswegen finde ich diese Analogie zu Hüten doch relativ gut, relativ passend.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 4861.97, 4862.13, 1.0], ["deswegen", 4862.13, 4862.45, 1.0], ["finde", 4862.45, 4862.61, 1.0], ["ich", 4862.61, 4862.77, 1.0], ["diese", 4862.77, 4862.93, 1.0], ["Analogie", 4862.93, 4863.41, 1.0], ["zu", 4863.41, 4863.57, 1.0], ["Hüten", 4863.57, 4864.05, 1.0], ["doch", 4864.05, 4864.21, 1.0], ["relativ", 4864.21, 4864.53, 1.0], ["gut,", 4864.53, 4864.69, 1.0], ["relativ", 4865.01, 4865.33, 1.0], ["passend.", 4865.33, 4865.73, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4865.97, "end": 4866.37, "text": "Genau.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Genau.", 4865.97, 4866.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4868.45, "end": 4868.77, "text": "So.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["So.", 4868.45, 4868.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4870.45, "end": 4871.57, "text": "Angriffsvektoren.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Angriffsvektoren.", 4870.45, 4871.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4871.81, "end": 4872.29, "text": "Ja, ja.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 4871.81, 4872.05, 1.0], ["ja.", 4872.13, 4872.29, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4872.45, "end": 4877.09, "text": "Wie greife ich denn jetzt diese Systeme, die wir gerade so gebaut haben, an?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Wie", 4872.45, 4872.69, 1.0], ["greife", 4872.69, 4873.09, 1.0], ["ich", 4873.09, 4873.17, 1.0], ["denn", 4873.17, 4873.41, 1.0], ["jetzt", 4873.41, 4873.65, 1.0], ["diese", 4873.65, 4873.97, 1.0], ["Systeme,", 4874.13, 4874.61, 1.0], ["die", 4874.69, 4874.85, 1.0], ["wir", 4874.85, 4875.01, 1.0], ["gerade", 4875.01, 4875.25, 1.0], ["so", 4875.25, 4875.41, 1.0], ["gebaut", 4875.41, 4875.65, 1.0], ["haben,", 4875.81, 4876.05, 1.0], ["an?", 4876.77, 4877.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4879.33, "end": 4879.97, "text": "Möchtest du?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Möchtest", 4879.33, 4879.81, 1.0], ["du?", 4879.81, 4879.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4881.25, "end": 4882.69, "text": "Ich überlasse es mal dir.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 2", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ich", 4881.25, 4881.57, 1.0], ["überlasse", 4881.57, 4882.05, 1.0], ["es", 4882.05, 4882.21, 1.0], ["mal", 4882.21, 4882.45, 1.0], ["dir.", 4882.45, 4882.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4884.05, "end": 4889.41, "text": "Du machst es ja als Angriffsvektoren, es gibt unzählige Angriffsvektoren.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Du", 4884.05, 4884.21, 1.0], ["machst", 4884.21, 4884.45, 1.0], ["es", 4884.45, 4884.61, 1.0], ["ja", 4884.61, 4884.69, 1.0], ["als", 4884.69, 4884.85, 1.0], ["Angriffsvektoren,", 4886.29, 4887.09, 1.0], ["es", 4887.17, 4887.41, 1.0], ["gibt", 4887.41, 4887.65, 1.0], ["unzählige", 4887.65, 4888.21, 1.0], ["Angriffsvektoren.", 4888.37, 4889.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4890.13, "end": 4910.45, "text": "Es gibt so viele Angriffsvektoren, speziell wenn das System nicht eingeschränkt ist, sondern als Ganzes zu sehen, dass es nur schwer ist, da jetzt zu sagen, okay, das System hat die und die Angriffsvektoren, es gibt aber die Möglichkeit einzugrenzen in verschiedene Themengebiete von Angriffsvektoren.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Es", 4890.13, 4890.21, 1.0], ["gibt", 4890.21, 4890.45, 1.0], ["so", 4890.45, 4890.61, 1.0], ["viele", 4890.61, 4890.85, 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"Das heißt, man setzt eine bestimmte Software ein und diese Software, die hat Bugs.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Das", 4915.89, 4916.13, 1.0], ["heißt,", 4916.13, 4916.61, 1.0], ["man", 4918.69, 4918.85, 1.0], ["setzt", 4918.85, 4919.25, 1.0], ["eine", 4919.25, 4919.41, 1.0], ["bestimmte", 4919.41, 4919.89, 1.0], ["Software", 4919.89, 4920.45, 1.0], ["ein", 4920.45, 4920.77, 1.0], ["und", 4921.09, 4921.41, 1.0], ["diese", 4921.65, 4921.97, 1.0], ["Software,", 4921.97, 4922.69, 1.0], ["die", 4922.85, 4923.17, 1.0], ["hat", 4923.17, 4923.49, 1.0], ["Bugs.", 4923.49, 4924.13, 1.0]]}, {"start": 4924.45, "end": 4930.29, "text": "Wie jede Software Bugs hat, hat auch irgendeine Software, die kommerziell eingesetzt wird, Bugs.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Wie", 4924.45, 4924.77, 1.0], ["jede", 4924.77, 4925.09, 1.0], ["Software", 4925.09, 4925.73, 1.0], ["Bugs", 4926.05, 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5232.69, 5233.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5233.17, "end": 5235.97, "text": "Man kommt ran und man hat wahrscheinlich Fehler drin, weil es komplexe Software ist.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Man", 5233.17, 5233.33, 1.0], ["kommt", 5233.33, 5233.57, 1.0], ["ran", 5233.57, 5233.81, 1.0], ["und", 5233.81, 5233.89, 1.0], ["man", 5233.89, 5233.97, 1.0], ["hat", 5233.97, 5234.13, 1.0], ["wahrscheinlich", 5234.13, 5234.45, 1.0], ["Fehler", 5234.45, 5234.69, 1.0], ["drin,", 5234.77, 5234.93, 1.0], ["weil", 5235.01, 5235.09, 1.0], ["es", 5235.09, 5235.17, 1.0], ["komplexe", 5235.17, 5235.57, 1.0], ["Software", 5235.57, 5235.73, 1.0], ["ist.", 5235.81, 5235.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5236.05, "end": 5245.97, "text": "Und da lohnt sich es dann im Endeffekt, tiefer reinzugehen und zu gucken, was kann man denn irgendwie durch gewissen formatierten Input oder so hervorrufen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, 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"newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Weitere", 5250.37, 5251.09, 1.0], ["Angriffe?", 5251.09, 5252.13, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5252.93, "end": 5257.41, "text": "Oder gibt es zu dem Software jetzt noch was?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Oder", 5252.93, 5253.49, 1.0], ["gibt", 5253.49, 5253.81, 1.0], ["es", 5253.81, 5253.97, 1.0], ["zu", 5254.21, 5254.53, 1.0], ["dem", 5254.53, 5254.85, 1.0], ["Software", 5256.45, 5256.69, 1.0], ["jetzt", 5257.01, 5257.17, 1.0], ["noch", 5257.17, 5257.25, 1.0], ["was?", 5257.33, 5257.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5257.73, "end": 5267.65, "text": "Ich sag's mal so, also man könnte da im Endeffekt jetzt eine endlos lange Liste von Fehlern, die schon mal aufgetreten sind oder irgendwelchen Angriffspatterns aufzählen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ich", 5257.73, 5257.81, 1.0], ["sag's", 5257.89, 5258.13, 1.0], ["mal", 5258.29, 5258.45, 1.0], ["so,", 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5274.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5274.85, "end": 5283.17, "text": "Ich würde es jetzt mal so ein bisschen allgemein lassen, weil das, wenn wir da jetzt in jeden dieser Bereiche tief reingehen, dann werden wir heute, glaube ich, nicht mehr verhindern.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ich", 5274.85, 5274.93, 1.0], ["würde", 5274.93, 5275.01, 1.0], ["es", 5275.17, 5275.25, 1.0], ["jetzt", 5275.25, 5275.49, 1.0], ["mal", 5275.49, 5275.65, 1.0], ["so", 5275.65, 5275.73, 1.0], ["ein", 5275.73, 5275.81, 1.0], ["bisschen", 5275.81, 5276.05, 1.0], ["allgemein", 5276.05, 5276.69, 1.0], ["lassen,", 5276.69, 5277.17, 1.0], ["weil", 5277.41, 5277.65, 1.0], ["das,", 5277.65, 5277.97, 1.0], ["wenn", 5278.05, 5278.29, 1.0], ["wir", 5278.29, 5278.45, 1.0], ["da", 5278.45, 5278.69, 1.0], ["jetzt", 5278.69, 5279.01, 1.0], ["in", 5279.17, 5279.41, 1.0], ["jeden", 5280.05, 5280.21, 1.0], ["dieser", 5280.37, 5280.61, 1.0], ["Bereiche", 5280.61, 5281.01, 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"text": "Ja, also gerade bei E-Mail, da wären wir vielleicht wieder beim weiteren Angriffsvektor Angriffe auf Protokollebene.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 5910.61, 5910.69, 1.0], ["also", 5910.77, 5910.85, 1.0], ["gerade", 5911.01, 5911.17, 1.0], ["bei", 5911.17, 5911.33, 1.0], ["E-Mail,", 5911.33, 5911.57, 1.0], ["da", 5911.65, 5911.73, 1.0], ["wären", 5911.73, 5911.89, 1.0], ["wir", 5911.89, 5912.05, 1.0], ["vielleicht", 5912.05, 5912.37, 1.0], ["wieder", 5912.37, 5912.61, 1.0], ["beim", 5912.61, 5912.85, 1.0], ["weiteren", 5913.09, 5913.49, 1.0], ["Angriffsvektor", 5913.49, 5914.45, 1.0], ["Angriffe", 5914.93, 5915.49, 1.0], ["auf", 5915.49, 5915.65, 1.0], ["Protokollebene.", 5915.65, 5916.29, 1.0]]}, {"start": 5916.37, "end": 5922.61, "text": "Ich meine, bei E-Mail, da hat man im Endeffekt auf Protokollebene kaum Sicherheitsvorkehrung.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, 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"timestamps": [["Weißt", 6237.85, 6238.09, 1.0], ["du", 6238.09, 6238.09, 1.0], ["nicht?", 6238.17, 6238.25, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6238.65, "end": 6239.93, "text": "Ja, bestimmt.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Unbekannt", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 6238.65, 6238.81, 1.0], ["bestimmt.", 6239.45, 6239.93, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6241.61, "end": 6242.25, "text": "Egal.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Unbekannt", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Egal.", 6241.61, 6242.25, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6243.53, "end": 6244.17, "text": "Ja, genau.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Unbekannt", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 6243.53, 6243.77, 1.0], ["genau.", 6243.93, 6244.17, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6246.01, "end": 6247.93, "text": "Also das ist ja auch dasselbe.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 6246.01, 6246.25, 1.0], ["das", 6246.33, 6246.57, 1.0], ["ist", 6246.57, 6246.73, 1.0], ["ja", 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die überweisen das Geld dann schneller quasi als wie die normale Bank oder.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Und", 6657.29, 6657.61, 1.0], ["nur", 6657.69, 6657.93, 1.0], ["eine", 6657.93, 6658.09, 1.0], ["Verständnisfrage,", 6658.17, 6658.89, 1.0], ["die", 6658.97, 6659.13, 1.0], ["überweisen", 6659.13, 6659.69, 1.0], ["das", 6659.69, 6659.85, 1.0], ["Geld", 6659.85, 6660.09, 1.0], ["dann", 6660.09, 6660.25, 1.0], ["schneller", 6660.25, 6660.57, 1.0], ["quasi", 6660.65, 6660.89, 1.0], ["als", 6660.97, 6661.13, 1.0], ["wie", 6661.13, 6661.29, 1.0], ["die", 6661.29, 6661.45, 1.0], ["normale", 6661.45, 6661.69, 1.0], ["Bank", 6661.69, 6661.85, 1.0], ["oder.", 6661.93, 6662.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6662.57, "end": 6663.37, "text": "Nee, es ist einfacher.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Nee,", 6662.57, 6662.65, 1.0], ["es", 6662.73, 6662.81, 1.0], ["ist", 6662.81, 6662.97, 1.0], 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6694.49, 1.0], ["spart", 6694.57, 6694.89, 1.0], ["also", 6694.89, 6695.05, 1.0], ["zwei", 6695.05, 6695.21, 1.0], ["Tage.", 6695.21, 6695.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6696.41, "end": 6697.69, "text": "Nee, tatsächlich ist es nicht so.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Nee,", 6696.41, 6696.57, 1.0], ["tatsächlich", 6696.65, 6697.05, 1.0], ["ist", 6697.05, 6697.13, 1.0], ["es", 6697.13, 6697.29, 1.0], ["nicht", 6697.29, 6697.45, 1.0], ["so.", 6697.45, 6697.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6698.33, "end": 6702.65, "text": "Tatsächlich ist es so, dass der Shop trotzdem wartet, bis die Kohle bei dir eingegangen ist.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Tatsächlich", 6698.33, 6698.81, 1.0], ["ist", 6698.81, 6698.89, 1.0], ["es", 6698.89, 6699.05, 1.0], ["so,", 6699.05, 6699.21, 1.0], ["dass", 6699.29, 6699.45, 1.0], ["der", 6700.01, 6700.17, 1.0], ["Shop", 6700.17, 6700.49, 1.0], ["trotzdem", 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[["Nein.", 6706.01, 6706.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6706.57, "end": 6709.21, "text": "Also das ist jedenfalls nicht der Vorteil, mit dem sie werben.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 6706.57, 6706.73, 1.0], ["das", 6707.13, 6707.29, 1.0], ["ist", 6707.29, 6707.45, 1.0], ["jedenfalls", 6707.45, 6707.85, 1.0], ["nicht", 6707.85, 6707.93, 1.0], ["der", 6707.93, 6708.09, 1.0], ["Vorteil,", 6708.09, 6708.49, 1.0], ["mit", 6708.57, 6708.65, 1.0], ["dem", 6708.65, 6708.81, 1.0], ["sie", 6708.81, 6708.97, 1.0], ["werben.", 6708.97, 6709.21, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6709.37, "end": 6711.37, "text": "Und das ist auch nicht so, dass es so ist.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 6709.37, 6709.53, 1.0], ["das", 6709.93, 6710.09, 1.0], ["ist", 6710.09, 6710.17, 1.0], ["auch", 6710.17, 6710.33, 1.0], ["nicht", 6710.33, 6710.41, 1.0], ["so,", 6710.41, 6710.49, 1.0], ["dass", 6710.57, 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Sinn.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 6730.97, 6731.05, 1.0], ["dann", 6731.13, 6731.29, 1.0], ["macht", 6731.29, 6731.37, 1.0], ["es", 6731.37, 6731.45, 1.0], ["ja", 6731.45, 6731.53, 1.0], ["keinen", 6731.61, 6731.61, 1.0], ["Sinn.", 6731.69, 6731.77, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6732.09, "end": 6733.21, "text": "Dann würde ich absolut sinnlos machen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Unbekannt", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Dann", 6732.09, 6732.17, 1.0], ["würde", 6732.17, 6732.25, 1.0], ["ich", 6732.25, 6732.33, 1.0], ["absolut", 6732.57, 6732.81, 1.0], ["sinnlos", 6732.81, 6733.05, 1.0], ["machen.", 6733.13, 6733.21, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6733.45, "end": 6734.33, "text": "Dann würde ich es nicht mehr benutzen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Dann", 6733.45, 6733.53, 1.0], ["würde", 6733.53, 6733.61, 1.0], ["ich", 6733.61, 6733.69, 1.0], ["es", 6733.69, 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"timestamps": [["Und", 6745.61, 6745.93, 1.0], ["dass", 6745.93, 6746.09, 1.0], ["die", 6746.09, 6746.25, 1.0], ["das", 6746.25, 6746.41, 1.0], ["halt", 6746.41, 6746.65, 1.0], ["sofort", 6746.65, 6747.29, 1.0], ["losschicken", 6747.29, 6748.09, 1.0], ["und", 6748.09, 6748.25, 1.0], ["man", 6748.25, 6748.49, 1.0], ["das", 6748.49, 6748.65, 1.0], ["dann", 6748.65, 6748.81, 1.0], ["bekommt.", 6748.81, 6749.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6749.29, "end": 6750.57, "text": "Ja, bei den meisten ist es so.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 6749.29, 6749.37, 1.0], ["bei", 6749.45, 6749.61, 1.0], ["den", 6749.61, 6749.77, 1.0], ["meisten", 6749.77, 6750.09, 1.0], ["ist", 6750.09, 6750.17, 1.0], ["es", 6750.17, 6750.33, 1.0], ["so.", 6750.33, 6750.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6750.65, "end": 6752.97, "text": "Also das ist der einzige Vorteil, sonst brauchst du es nicht so gut.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 6750.65, 6750.73, 1.0], ["das", 6750.81, 6750.97, 1.0], ["ist", 6750.97, 6751.13, 1.0], ["der", 6751.13, 6751.21, 1.0], ["einzige", 6751.21, 6751.45, 1.0], ["Vorteil,", 6751.45, 6751.77, 1.0], ["sonst", 6751.85, 6752.01, 1.0], ["brauchst", 6752.01, 6752.17, 1.0], ["du", 6752.17, 6752.25, 1.0], ["es", 6752.25, 6752.33, 1.0], ["nicht", 6752.33, 6752.41, 1.0], ["so", 6752.57, 6752.65, 1.0], ["gut.", 6752.89, 6752.97, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6753.21, "end": 6757.21, "text": "Nee, ganz klar, ich habe aber schon, also ich habe das auch schon mal ausprobiert und dann war das wieder genauso.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Nee,", 6753.21, 6753.37, 1.0], ["ganz", 6753.69, 6753.85, 1.0], ["klar,", 6753.85, 6754.01, 1.0], ["ich", 6754.09, 6754.17, 1.0], ["habe", 6754.17, 6754.33, 1.0], ["aber", 6754.33, 6754.57, 1.0], ["schon,", 6754.57, 6754.81, 1.0], ["also", 6754.89, 6754.97, 1.0], ["ich", 6755.05, 6755.13, 1.0], 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["Passwörtern", 6970.25, 6970.65, 1.0], ["aus?", 6970.73, 6970.89, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6970.97, "end": 6975.85, "text": "Man sollte vielleicht nicht abcd1234 nehmen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Man", 6970.97, 6971.13, 1.0], ["sollte", 6971.13, 6971.45, 1.0], ["vielleicht", 6971.45, 6971.69, 1.0], ["nicht", 6971.69, 6972.01, 1.0], ["abcd1234", 6972.01, 6974.73, 1.0], ["nehmen.", 6975.53, 6975.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6976.09, "end": 6976.89, "text": "abcde.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["abcde.", 6976.09, 6976.89, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6977.37, "end": 6977.53, "text": "Ja.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja.", 6977.37, 6977.53, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6977.85, "end": 6978.81, "text": "12345.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["12345.", 6977.85, 6978.81, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6979.13, "end": 6980.49, "text": "Ich glaube, das kann man schon mal empfehlen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 2", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ich", 6979.13, 6979.29, 1.0], ["glaube,", 6979.29, 6979.37, 1.0], ["das", 6979.45, 6979.53, 1.0], ["kann", 6979.53, 6979.69, 1.0], ["man", 6979.69, 6979.77, 1.0], ["schon", 6979.77, 6979.93, 1.0], ["mal", 6979.93, 6980.09, 1.0], ["empfehlen.", 6980.09, 6980.49, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6981.05, "end": 6984.41, "text": "Ich denke, die einzige Empfehlung, wenn es um Passwörter geht, ist einfach um Passwortmanager.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ich", 6981.05, 6981.13, 1.0], ["denke,", 6981.13, 6981.29, 1.0], ["die", 6981.37, 6981.53, 1.0], ["einzige", 6981.53, 6981.85, 1.0], ["Empfehlung,", 6981.85, 6982.17, 1.0], ["wenn", 6982.25, 6982.41, 1.0], ["es", 6982.41, 6982.49, 1.0], ["um", 6982.49, 6982.65, 1.0], ["Passwörter", 6982.65, 6983.05, 1.0], ["geht,", 6983.05, 6983.13, 1.0], ["ist", 6983.21, 6983.37, 1.0], ["einfach", 6983.37, 6983.61, 1.0], ["um", 6983.61, 6983.77, 1.0], ["Passwortmanager.", 6983.77, 6984.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6984.65, "end": 6985.69, "text": "Ja, denke ich.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 6984.65, 6984.97, 1.0], ["denke", 6985.21, 6985.53, 1.0], ["ich.", 6985.53, 6985.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6985.93, "end": 6987.85, "text": "Alles andere ist völlig sinnlos.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Alles", 6985.93, 6986.25, 1.0], ["andere", 6986.25, 6986.57, 1.0], ["ist", 6986.65, 6986.97, 1.0], ["völlig", 6986.97, 6987.29, 1.0], ["sinnlos.", 6987.29, 6987.85, 1.0]]}, {"start": 6988.81, "end": 7006.41, "text": "Es gibt ein paar coole Konzepte, die echt, da gibt es zum Beispiel, was ich letztens bei einem gesehen habe, der hat eine Matrix auf ein Stück Papier, die ist ungefähr so groß, die ist 20x20 und man denkt sich selber Pattern aus, die wie ein Passwort sozusagen generiert wird.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Es", 6988.81, 6988.97, 1.0], ["gibt", 6988.97, 6989.13, 1.0], ["ein", 6989.13, 6989.21, 1.0], ["paar", 6989.21, 6989.45, 1.0], ["coole", 6989.45, 6989.69, 1.0], ["Konzepte,", 6989.77, 6990.33, 1.0], ["die", 6990.49, 6990.73, 1.0], ["echt,", 6990.73, 6991.05, 1.0], ["da", 6991.45, 6991.61, 1.0], ["gibt", 6991.61, 6991.93, 1.0], ["es", 6991.93, 6992.09, 1.0], ["zum", 6992.09, 6992.25, 1.0], ["Beispiel,", 6992.25, 6992.65, 1.0], ["was", 6992.89, 6993.05, 1.0], ["ich", 6993.05, 6993.21, 1.0], ["letztens", 6993.21, 6993.69, 1.0], ["bei", 6993.69, 6993.85, 1.0], ["einem", 6993.85, 6994.01, 1.0], ["gesehen", 6994.09, 6994.41, 1.0], ["habe,", 6994.41, 6994.65, 1.0], ["der", 6994.81, 6994.97, 1.0], ["hat", 6994.97, 6995.13, 1.0], ["eine", 6995.13, 6995.29, 1.0], ["Matrix", 6995.29, 6995.93, 1.0], ["auf", 6995.93, 6996.09, 1.0], ["ein", 6996.09, 6996.17, 1.0], ["Stück", 6996.17, 6996.49, 1.0], ["Papier,", 6996.49, 6996.81, 1.0], ["die", 6996.89, 6997.05, 1.0], ["ist", 6997.05, 6997.13, 1.0], ["ungefähr", 6997.21, 6997.53, 1.0], ["so", 6997.53, 6997.69, 1.0], ["groß,", 6997.69, 6998.01, 1.0], ["die", 6998.09, 6998.25, 1.0], ["ist", 6998.25, 6998.49, 1.0], ["20x20", 6998.97, 7000.33, 1.0], ["und", 7000.49, 7000.73, 1.0], ["man", 7000.73, 7001.05, 1.0], ["denkt", 7001.21, 7001.61, 1.0], ["sich", 7001.61, 7001.77, 1.0], ["selber", 7001.77, 7002.09, 1.0], ["Pattern", 7002.09, 7002.41, 1.0], ["aus,", 7002.73, 7003.05, 1.0], ["die", 7003.29, 7003.61, 1.0], ["wie", 7004.09, 7004.33, 1.0], ["ein", 7004.33, 7004.49, 1.0], ["Passwort", 7004.49, 7004.97, 1.0], ["sozusagen", 7004.97, 7005.37, 1.0], ["generiert", 7005.45, 7006.09, 1.0], ["wird.", 7006.09, 7006.41, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7007.05, "end": 7010.57, "text": "Das ist ähnlich ein Passwortmanager, aber halt komplett manuell.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Das", 7007.05, 7007.29, 1.0], ["ist", 7007.29, 7007.45, 1.0], ["ähnlich", 7007.45, 7007.85, 1.0], ["ein", 7007.93, 7008.09, 1.0], ["Passwortmanager,", 7008.09, 7008.81, 1.0], ["aber", 7008.89, 7009.05, 1.0], ["halt", 7009.05, 7009.45, 1.0], ["komplett", 7009.45, 7009.93, 1.0], ["manuell.", 7009.93, 7010.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7011.85, "end": 7017.61, "text": "Also was wir hier in der HDM auch schon hatten als Projekt, waren so auch so ein Muster.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Also", 7011.85, 7012.01, 1.0], ["was", 7012.09, 7012.25, 1.0], ["wir", 7012.25, 7012.41, 1.0], ["hier", 7012.41, 7012.57, 1.0], ["in", 7012.73, 7012.81, 1.0], ["der", 7012.81, 7012.97, 1.0], ["HDM", 7012.97, 7013.29, 1.0], ["auch", 7013.37, 7013.53, 1.0], ["schon", 7013.53, 7013.69, 1.0], ["hatten", 7013.69, 7014.01, 1.0], ["als", 7014.01, 7014.17, 1.0], ["Projekt,", 7014.17, 7014.49, 1.0], ["waren", 7014.73, 7015.05, 1.0], ["so", 7015.13, 7015.45, 1.0], ["auch", 7016.81, 7016.97, 1.0], ["so", 7016.97, 7017.13, 1.0], ["ein", 7017.13, 7017.21, 1.0], ["Muster.", 7017.21, 7017.61, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7019.13, "end": 7020.09, "text": "Fraktale, Passwort.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Fraktale,", 7019.13, 7019.53, 1.0], ["Passwort.", 7019.77, 7020.09, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7020.97, "end": 7029.29, "text": "Genau, das waren im Endeffekt so Fraktale, wo man sich im Endeffekt immer einzelne Teile des Fraktals ausgesucht hat.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Genau,", 7020.97, 7021.13, 1.0], ["das", 7021.21, 7021.37, 1.0], ["waren", 7021.37, 7021.53, 1.0], ["im", 7021.53, 7021.69, 1.0], ["Endeffekt", 7021.69, 7022.01, 1.0], ["so", 7022.01, 7022.17, 1.0], ["Fraktale,", 7022.17, 7022.73, 1.0], ["wo", 7022.81, 7022.97, 1.0], ["man", 7022.97, 7023.13, 1.0], ["sich", 7023.13, 7023.37, 1.0], ["im", 7023.37, 7023.53, 1.0], ["Endeffekt", 7023.53, 7024.41, 1.0], ["immer", 7025.37, 7025.69, 1.0], ["einzelne", 7025.85, 7026.81, 1.0], ["Teile", 7027.13, 7027.77, 1.0], ["des", 7027.77, 7028.01, 1.0], ["Fraktals", 7028.01, 7028.73, 1.0], ["ausgesucht", 7028.73, 7029.21, 1.0], ["hat.", 7029.21, 7029.29, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7029.37, "end": 7033.69, "text": "Und da hat man irgendwie drei, viermal in bestimmte Bereiche reingezoomt und das war dann das Passwort.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 7029.37, 7029.45, 1.0], ["da", 7029.45, 7029.61, 1.0], ["hat", 7029.61, 7029.77, 1.0], ["man", 7029.77, 7029.85, 1.0], ["irgendwie", 7029.85, 7030.09, 1.0], ["drei,", 7030.09, 7030.33, 1.0], ["viermal", 7030.41, 7030.81, 1.0], ["in", 7030.81, 7030.97, 1.0], ["bestimmte", 7030.97, 7031.37, 1.0], ["Bereiche", 7031.37, 7031.69, 1.0], ["reingezoomt", 7031.69, 7032.33, 1.0], ["und", 7032.33, 7032.49, 1.0], ["das", 7032.49, 7032.57, 1.0], ["war", 7032.57, 7032.73, 1.0], ["dann", 7032.73, 7032.89, 1.0], ["das", 7032.89, 7033.05, 1.0], ["Passwort.", 7033.05, 7033.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7033.93, "end": 7041.21, "text": "Und das ist dann scheinbar so, dass man sich das schlecht merken kann, wenn man zuguckt, aber wenn man es selber macht, relativ gut merken kann.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 7033.93, 7034.25, 1.0], ["das", 7034.25, 7034.57, 1.0], ["ist", 7034.81, 7035.13, 1.0], ["dann", 7035.13, 7035.29, 1.0], ["scheinbar", 7035.29, 7035.77, 1.0], ["so,", 7035.77, 7035.93, 1.0], ["dass", 7036.09, 7036.33, 1.0], ["man", 7036.33, 7036.57, 1.0], ["sich", 7036.57, 7036.89, 1.0], ["das", 7036.89, 7037.13, 1.0], ["schlecht", 7037.13, 7037.61, 1.0], ["merken", 7037.61, 7037.85, 1.0], ["kann,", 7037.85, 7038.01, 1.0], ["wenn", 7038.09, 7038.25, 1.0], ["man", 7038.25, 7038.41, 1.0], ["zuguckt,", 7038.41, 7039.05, 1.0], ["aber", 7039.13, 7039.37, 1.0], ["wenn", 7039.37, 7039.53, 1.0], ["man", 7039.53, 7039.69, 1.0], ["es", 7039.69, 7039.77, 1.0], ["selber", 7039.77, 7040.01, 1.0], ["macht,", 7040.01, 7040.17, 1.0], ["relativ", 7040.33, 7040.65, 1.0], ["gut", 7040.65, 7040.81, 1.0], ["merken", 7040.81, 7041.05, 1.0], ["kann.", 7041.05, 7041.21, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7041.37, "end": 7048.01, "text": "Ja, aber wie löst das dieses Konzept, das Problem, dass ich eigentlich für jeden Jahr eigenes Passwort brauche?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 7041.37, 7041.53, 1.0], ["aber", 7041.69, 7041.93, 1.0], ["wie", 7041.93, 7042.09, 1.0], ["löst", 7042.09, 7042.41, 1.0], ["das", 7042.57, 7042.89, 1.0], ["dieses", 7043.37, 7043.77, 1.0], ["Konzept,", 7043.77, 7044.25, 1.0], ["das", 7044.41, 7044.57, 1.0], ["Problem,", 7044.57, 7044.81, 1.0], ["dass", 7044.97, 7045.13, 1.0], ["ich", 7045.13, 7045.29, 1.0], ["eigentlich", 7045.29, 7045.61, 1.0], ["für", 7045.61, 7045.77, 1.0], ["jeden", 7045.77, 7046.09, 1.0], ["Jahr", 7046.09, 7046.41, 1.0], ["eigenes", 7046.41, 7046.89, 1.0], ["Passwort", 7046.89, 7047.37, 1.0], ["brauche?", 7047.37, 7048.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7048.49, "end": 7050.01, "text": "In dem Fall wahrscheinlich gar nicht.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["In", 7048.49, 7048.65, 1.0], ["dem", 7048.65, 7048.81, 1.0], ["Fall", 7048.81, 7049.05, 1.0], ["wahrscheinlich", 7049.05, 7049.53, 1.0], ["gar", 7049.53, 7049.77, 1.0], ["nicht.", 7049.77, 7050.01, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7050.57, "end": 7051.37, "text": "Weil das ist damit manchmal.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Unbekannt", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Weil", 7050.57, 7050.81, 1.0], ["das", 7050.81, 7050.89, 1.0], ["ist", 7050.89, 7051.05, 1.0], ["damit", 7051.05, 7051.21, 1.0], ["manchmal.", 7051.29, 7051.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7054.33, "end": 7055.69, "text": "Und die halt man dann halt auch wieder unter.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 2", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Und", 7054.33, 7054.41, 1.0], ["die", 7054.41, 7054.57, 1.0], ["halt", 7054.57, 7054.73, 1.0], ["man", 7054.97, 7055.05, 1.0], ["dann", 7055.05, 7055.21, 1.0], ["halt", 7055.21, 7055.37, 1.0], ["auch", 7055.37, 7055.45, 1.0], ["wieder", 7055.45, 7055.61, 1.0], ["unter.", 7055.61, 7055.69, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7056.17, "end": 7057.37, "text": "Die kann ich mir auch nicht im Kopf halten.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Die", 7056.17, 7056.25, 1.0], ["kann", 7056.25, 7056.33, 1.0], ["ich", 7056.33, 7056.49, 1.0], ["mir", 7056.49, 7056.57, 1.0], ["auch", 7056.57, 7056.65, 1.0], ["nicht", 7056.65, 7056.81, 1.0], ["im", 7056.81, 7056.89, 1.0], ["Kopf", 7056.89, 7057.13, 1.0], ["halten.", 7057.13, 7057.37, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7057.45, "end": 7064.57, "text": "Also bräuchte ich jetzt wieder einen Passwortmanager, der mir die Steps, der sich die Fraktalstufen, die ich da ausgewählt habe, merkt.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Also", 7057.45, 7057.53, 1.0], ["bräuchte", 7057.61, 7058.01, 1.0], ["ich", 7058.01, 7058.09, 1.0], ["jetzt", 7058.09, 7058.33, 1.0], ["wieder", 7058.33, 7058.57, 1.0], ["einen", 7058.57, 7058.73, 1.0], ["Passwortmanager,", 7058.73, 7059.45, 1.0], ["der", 7059.77, 7060.01, 1.0], ["mir", 7060.01, 7060.33, 1.0], ["die", 7060.33, 7060.49, 1.0], ["Steps,", 7060.49, 7060.97, 1.0], ["der", 7061.13, 7061.29, 1.0], ["sich", 7061.29, 7061.53, 1.0], ["die", 7062.01, 7062.09, 1.0], ["Fraktalstufen,", 7062.09, 7063.13, 1.0], ["die", 7063.21, 7063.29, 1.0], ["ich", 7063.29, 7063.37, 1.0], ["da", 7063.37, 7063.53, 1.0], ["ausgewählt", 7063.53, 7064.01, 1.0], ["habe,", 7064.01, 7064.09, 1.0], ["merkt.", 7064.25, 7064.57, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7064.81, "end": 7065.05, "text": "Ja, oder?", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Ja,", 7064.81, 7064.89, 1.0], ["oder?", 7064.97, 7065.05, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7065.37, "end": 7066.33, "text": "Was ja nicht unmöglich wäre.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Was", 7065.37, 7065.53, 1.0], ["ja", 7065.53, 7065.69, 1.0], ["nicht", 7065.69, 7065.77, 1.0], ["unmöglich", 7065.77, 7066.17, 1.0], ["wäre.", 7066.17, 7066.33, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7066.89, "end": 7073.53, "text": "Oder ich habe halt einen Pattern, also einen Algorithmus, den ich halt ableite von dem Dienst, den ich benutze.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Oder", 7066.89, 7067.21, 1.0], ["ich", 7067.21, 7067.29, 1.0], ["habe", 7067.29, 7067.45, 1.0], ["halt", 7067.45, 7067.61, 1.0], ["einen", 7067.61, 7067.69, 1.0], ["Pattern,", 7067.69, 7068.01, 1.0], ["also", 7068.25, 7068.49, 1.0], ["einen", 7068.73, 7068.89, 1.0], ["Algorithmus,", 7068.89, 7069.77, 1.0], ["den", 7070.41, 7070.65, 1.0], ["ich", 7070.65, 7070.81, 1.0], ["halt", 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"end": 7201.75, "text": "Ist mir eingefallen.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Felix", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Ist", 7200.87, 7201.03, 1.0], ["mir", 7201.03, 7201.11, 1.0], ["eingefallen.", 7201.27, 7201.75, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7201.99, "end": 7207.35, "text": "Genau, und da sind quasi so die Top 10 Passwörter der letzten Zeit rausgerechnet.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Genau,", 7201.99, 7202.31, 1.0], ["und", 7202.47, 7202.79, 1.0], ["da", 7203.11, 7203.43, 1.0], ["sind", 7203.43, 7203.75, 1.0], ["quasi", 7203.75, 7204.23, 1.0], ["so", 7204.23, 7204.39, 1.0], ["die", 7204.39, 7204.55, 1.0], ["Top", 7204.55, 7204.79, 1.0], ["10", 7204.87, 7205.19, 1.0], ["Passwörter", 7205.19, 7205.83, 1.0], ["der", 7205.83, 7205.99, 1.0], ["letzten", 7205.99, 7206.39, 1.0], ["Zeit", 7206.39, 7206.71, 1.0], ["rausgerechnet.", 7206.71, 7207.35, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7207.67, "end": 7216.15, "text": "Was man da auch noch an 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Moment, wo das System sowieso zusammenbricht, denn es ist alles, wie sichere ich Programme ab, die mit Wildcards arbeiten.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Gast 1", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Und", 7867.35, 7867.67, 1.0], ["letzten", 7867.75, 7868.31, 1.0], ["Endes", 7868.31, 7868.63, 1.0], ["kommt", 7868.87, 7869.43, 1.0], ["unweigerlich", 7869.43, 7870.15, 1.0], ["der", 7870.15, 7870.31, 1.0], ["Moment,", 7870.31, 7870.47, 1.0], ["wo", 7870.55, 7870.71, 1.0], ["das", 7870.71, 7870.87, 1.0], ["System", 7870.87, 7871.19, 1.0], ["sowieso", 7871.19, 7871.59, 1.0], ["zusammenbricht,", 7871.59, 7872.23, 1.0], ["denn", 7872.31, 7872.47, 1.0], ["es", 7872.47, 7872.63, 1.0], ["ist", 7872.63, 7872.87, 1.0], ["alles,", 7872.87, 7873.11, 1.0], ["wie", 7873.27, 7873.51, 1.0], ["sichere", 7873.51, 7873.91, 1.0], ["ich", 7873.91, 7874.15, 1.0], ["Programme", 7874.15, 7874.71, 1.0], ["ab,", 7874.71, 7874.95, 1.0], ["die", 7875.11, 7875.35, 1.0], ["mit", 7875.35, 7875.59, 1.0], 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7945.83, "text": "Und es waren zum Großteil irgendwelche Forscher und Universitäten, die da miteinander vernetzt wurden.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": true, "timestamps": [["Und", 7941.19, 7941.35, 1.0], ["es", 7941.35, 7941.43, 1.0], ["waren", 7941.43, 7941.67, 1.0], ["zum", 7941.67, 7941.83, 1.0], ["Großteil", 7941.83, 7942.23, 1.0], ["irgendwelche", 7942.23, 7942.63, 1.0], ["Forscher", 7942.63, 7942.95, 1.0], ["und", 7943.11, 7943.27, 1.0], ["Universitäten,", 7943.27, 7943.83, 1.0], ["die", 7943.91, 7944.07, 1.0], ["da", 7944.07, 7944.31, 1.0], ["miteinander", 7944.31, 7944.79, 1.0], ["vernetzt", 7944.95, 7945.51, 1.0], ["wurden.", 7945.51, 7945.83, 1.0]]}, {"start": 7946.47, "end": 7949.03, "text": "Da gab es ja niemanden, der das irgendwie missbraucht hätte.", "confidence": 1.0, "track": null, "speaker": "Ingo", "newpara": false, "timestamps": [["Da", 7946.47, 7946.71, 1.0], ["gab", 7946.71, 7946.95, 1.0], ["es", 7946.95, 7947.03, 1.0], ["ja", 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